Reality Handbook ([info]realityhandbook) wrote,
@ 2007-09-24 01:13:00
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Chronicling My Outreach to the Internet
I've joined a few internet bulletin boards and forums, and not found a lot of kindred spirits, but... some. Yet to date, this has not provided any additional readers or comments to the journal.

The experience I felt was the best was a conversation held on the forum for the International Association for the Study of Dreams:

http://dreamtalk.hypermart.net/bb2005/viewtopic.php?t=1975&highlight=&sid=5a99d7e9fcdc11de5ac389136eda6205

Thoughtful responses, though it kind of fell off. And there's no evidence that anyone actually clicked through to the journal entries I posted, as all the responses merely address the content of the forum message. I actually did click through to Al's dream blog, which is unique in that it is Illustrated...I've thought of doing this, where warranted. But on Al's blog it's not easy to see which dreams are lucid and which are not, and it generally seems to be missing the details I'm looking for. (Bravo however for remembering them and keeping so many notes.)

My luck with the Steve Pavlina forum wasn't particularly great in terms of the Pavlinites, who seem to be a bit doofy by and large. Though Steve himself is a well-spoken guy:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/search.php?searchid=361636

Tribe.Net was a wasteland, and I deleted my account:

http://footintwoworlds.tribe.net/thread/c6ff5de6-d27c-45ee-9bd1-85390bcbf639
http://lucid-dreamers.tribe.net/thread/c3ba367c-aa0f-4651-92c6-9388b709620c
http://footintwoworlds.tribe.net/thread/4236bf34-32db-4ad9-b8ff-ea9bf6274fda

Orkut was a lot of dead air and one-sentence posts, but my understanding is that the only people using it are in Brazil, so maybe English isn't their main language:

http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=12393&tid=5303800

I feel that the UseNet news hierarchy is, by and large, pretty pathetic... spammers and trolls, which is too bad, because it's based on a good distributed standard. I'd rather send someone an email than write their myspace account, and by the same token I'd rather post to a usenet group rather than someone's web forum.

As hopeless as UseNet is overall, the response to my initial post to alt.dreams.lucid was civil and friendly, but it didn't bring any readership or new insight:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.dreams.lucid/browse_thread/thread/9e9540eaf953f602/1e35ece5f6646f18?lnk=st&q=realityhandbook&rnum=4#1e35ece5f6646f18

Also, once a chemist did a good identification of a crystallography spam, and seemed like a cool and open-minded dude...entertaining spam conspiracy theories even when we were on a mainstream science group:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/browse_thread/thread/1f279b8639fad770/32aad920539ef93b?lnk=st&q=realityhandbook&rnum=7#32aad920539ef93b

I was happy to get some zero pole magnet feedback, after the dream about those:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.electromag/browse_thread/thread/775043800f39f76/350f8963233e7a9f?lnk=st&q=realityhandbook&rnum=6#350f8963233e7a9f

Other dialogue hasn't gotten results:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.the-matrix/browse_thread/thread/cf25d7646096a2b8/635c5a7e50f80f39?lnk=st&q=realityhandbook+matrix&rnum=1#635c5a7e50f80f39

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.dreams.lucid/browse_thread/thread/3b7facc83fb16a7e/3dfaa710f71c03ad?lnk=st&q=realityhandbook&rnum=1#3dfaa710f71c03ad

I haven't tried that hard to talk to dream bloggers, because many of them seem to get very little done in a lucid state...and when they do, they have only the most superficial of paraphrases to offer of what they did. But "Ben" at DreamingLife seems to be making his first steps into the kind of territory I study. So I made an introduction, with no response:

http://dreaminglife.org/2007/07/31/how-i-got-into-lucid-dreaming-back-in-1999/

I don't understand why someone like that wouldn't be interested in the findings of someone who is (frankly) a lot further along in the process, and willing to talk.

Update: recent outreach I'm going to put down so I can track them:

http://johncox88.com/?p=321
http://godchildren.livejournal.com/31975.html?thread=149479#t149479

I'm not sure what direction to take outreach at this point, how important it is to me, and how to improve if it is. I refined my profile info a bit so that at least people know what this journal is about. I've been mostly timid about contacting prominent people like Steven LaBerge or Richard Linklater (director of Waking Life) because of these lackluster experiences. But perhaps if I arranged my notes and concepts better, and just disregarded the internet response, I could start some conversations worth having.



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[info]godchildren
2008-07-10 07:32 am UTC (link)
Oh, please don't doubt the importance of your work because of a poor internet response! As I'm sure you know, this is some obscure and heavy stuff. Most people don't even discuss regular dreams let alone alternate realities -- at least, no one I've seen before. I'm sorry that I can't offer any kind of insight, but I will say that your journal is the most fascinating (and entertaining!) thing I've ever read online. I am absolutely hooked. If you published books, I would own all of them. :) Anyway, don't give up and don't hesitate to contact prominent figures, as I'm sure they'd love to see what you've done. Also, thank you for sharing this!

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[info]realityhandbook
2008-07-10 07:54 am UTC (link)
Hello María,

Your response, praise, and level of interest is inspiring. One of my few regular readers is [info]mrnihil, and his support has been quite helpful in leading me to think that I *should* continue refining my ideas until I have a book together. He doesn't lucid dream, but he accepts what I talk about as credible at face value. His animations are amusing...and he could also use some encouragement in his pursuits, if you enjoy them: :)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HlBDY1AFwX0

I'm glad you are visiting and looking into the history after the "cleanup", instead of before. Last month I formatted all the dreams according to certain conventions, and made sure that it was clear what happened during the dream and what was research after the fact. This is part of why I'm feeling a little more like reaching out to teh Interweb again. Though I checked back with the other person whose comment I posted today and I think he deleted it. (?!) I sent an inquiry via email, and saved my original message.

Yes, it's hard to get people to read this stuff. I tread a difficult line—as a scientific person who believes wacky things. Most people who believe wacky things are not prepared to be analytical, and most analytical people are so conformist that the study of wacky things is avoided for fear of being associated with bozos. You may have seen my letter on this topic—how I feel this divide does incredible harm:

http://realityhandbook.livejournal.com/57034.html

...and as a side effect, leaves me feeling pretty lonely. It's amazing to study history and just read about the things that happened. Have you seen Galileo's recantation letter?

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/galileo/recantation.html

It would be naive to think the days are over of pressure to not believe what you know to be true. "Scientists" think they've overthrown such church-oriented nonsense, but they've merely become their own conformist establishment...replacing one dogma with another (admittedly better in many ways, but still flawed when not properly administered). You mentioned that your art focused on mental illness, and I obviously face certain accusations. It is hard to not be furious!!!

Please feel free to write me directly at gmail if you have anything you'd like to speak about, or continue to post publicly if you like.

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[info]godchildren
2008-07-10 08:09 am UTC (link)
Thank you for the quick response and the links. I feel a bit overwhelmed but I intend to read everything in your journal eventually. Please let me know if you do publish anything. I'd like to contact you through gmail but I must've missed your address. Mine's trashsong@gmail.com.

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